Loki after someone mentions Thor: Would it kill you to put my existence first for once? I mean come on all he’s done is save people, I’VE KILLED THEM!!
Thor used to pick a fight and kill people in the past while endanger his own friends. Loki used to keep Thor out of trouble or avoid an uncecessary fight. It’s a bit ironic isn’t it?
Loki after someone mentions Thor: Would it kill you to put my existence first for once? I mean come on all he’s done is save people, I’VE KILLED THEM!!
When I read shit like this, I wonder if people are watching the same movies that I’ve watched. Or if they have paid attention at all while doing so. Thor is a violent person. He has taken MANY lives. He enjoys doing so. Not even because he is a bad guy, but because it is part of his culture. He has spent far more screen time committing violence than Loki.
Loki, on the other hand, is not a naturally violent person. It was one of the reasons he didn’t fit in so well on Asgard. He has taken lives as well. Though probably not as many as Thor. But somehow the audience comes away with this notion that Loki is this bloodthirsty killer. Even when he’s just sitting there, doing nothing, the audience is thinking “wow, he’s evil.”
As an educator, I make it my mission to teach children how to critically analyze fiction. Not only so that they can grow up to watch movies and NOT draw ridiculous conclusions like this one, but so they can apply that skill to their assessment of real life people as well.
Loki after someone mentions Thor: “Would it kill you to allow me some measure of autonomy? I am an actual person. My existence is not contingent on Thor’s existence.”
FIXED.
Thank you!
I guess this all happens because the first Avengers movie and Thor: Ragnarok are fresher and livelier in the minds of the popular collective vs Thor 1 and Thor 2.
The Avengers has Loki acting desperate after being brainwashed by a literal death cult and in Thor 3 the director (and possibly Hemsworth too?) took a machete to both Thor and Loki’s characterization in the name of humor.
It doesn’t help that many of the clues that there is more to Loki than the mask he presents in the two movies are in deleted scenes or in blink-and-you-miss-it moments that take rewatches or screencaptured-gifs for most film watchers to catch; heck, I took everything at face value the first time I watched the films until I saw tumblr posts that showed those moments!
I was surprised to find that, yes, Loki was crying real tears when he stabbed Thor in the Avengers, that he was tempted to go home with him but still hurting from what his point of view had been a colossal life-long betrayal from his whole family, Thor’s friends and even Heimdall in Thor 1, and the deleted scene in The Avengers 1 when Loki talks mentally to The Other for a second time should never have been deleted, because it showed us that Loki was being supervised 24/7 even when he wasn’t holding the Scepter, which is a game-changer in explaining what went on in that movie.
Oh, God, all the deleted scenes. We cannot have people sympathizing with Loki, that is madness.
You could argue that Thanos is written to be more sympathetic to the audience in Avengers: Infinity War than Loki was by this stage of the MCU:
“Boo hoo, I really loved Gamora even though I abused and tortured her and all my kidnapped/adopted children which I orphaned in the first place!”
“I really believe in my vision of a just world, I’m just misguided!”
There is something sad about that.
Nice input. The Infinity War writer and director are trying to make Thanos more sympathetic than Loki.
They did because these make Loki lesser devil and enjoyable than the plain villan Marvel wanted.
It’s like censoring a person’s life. These events actually occurred, they were lived (by Loki— Tom), ALL OF THE ABOVE still coincide perfectly within the canon, but were deleted to decrease sympathy. ARGHH!
I’m still dreaming of director’s cuts some day…
la la la this all happened la la la you can’t change my mind la la la
Please all the gods in every universe, let them give us directors cuts of every thor/avengers movie so we can enjoy the full Loki experience.
I legitimately can’t watch these movies without watching the deleted scenes first, because they provide so fucking much necessary context for Loki’s character and his actions and it’s absolutely insane that they were cut out of the movie. Especially the deleted scenes from Thor (2011).
Yes, especially the deleted scenes from Thor (2011) in which those scenes actually got into the documentary of Loki’s character in Marvel’s 10 years videos to explain some Loki’s motivations and characterizations.
deleted a bunch of chronic pain and chronic illness posts from blogs they’ve left (like mine)
This isn’t just about ‘oh no you can’t look at people fucking anymore’ (even though lots of sex workers are losing their means of supporting themselves). This goes a lot further, with a lot more chilling effects.
The sexualizing of things like ‘top surgery’ or declaring all ‘trans’ tagged things to be … sexual… is really, REALLY fucked up. Never mind the fact that ‘chronic pain’ had NOTHING to do with sexiness, and we’ve been given no explanation as to why disabled people were considered acceptable collateral damage.
ALSO I had a post flagged earlier today for a cartoon picture of Mario in a bathing suit. Mario, from Super Mario Brothers.
Someone else reported a picture of a cartoon scorpion with a hard hat on being flagged as pornography. Tagging things as ‘queer’ or ‘gay’ gets them flagged NSFW. (Hey, guess what I’d been tagging my t-shirts, because they’re pride stuff? Oh right. Queer. Gay. Pride.)
This is a fucking problem, let’s not blow it off.
I know some people are too young (or simply weren’t involved in fandom back then) to remember what went down with livejournal and a couple of other sites “back in the day”, but it all started out as “it’s okay, we’re just removing the nasty porn”, and then “okay well, just make sure you put your porn behind a cut, no, wait jk you need to host it externally, a link is fine, maybe” and pretty much devolved swiftly into “actually sweety, LGBT content is inherently NSFW by default because it might make the kiddies gay if we expose them to it, so y’all need to leave now byyyeeee”.
Like…that happened. And it took nearly a decade for the fandom spaces to recover and stabilize and to get to the point where LGBT content creators could host their content without being told “you’re not welcome here” and I’m just sitting here, watching as youtube demonetizes LGBT content creators, and Facebook flags up LGBT ads as “inappropriate” and now tumblr is going through the queer and gay tags and just mass blanketing it as inappropriate, while actual pornbots and nazis wind up in my recommended feed.
Like I am uncomfortable y’all. I am looking around at everything I’ve built and all the friends I’ve made and I know we’re all looking for the next safe space to jump to while hoping we don’t lose each other overnight like “the olden days” where you’d wake up and your fave blogger was just gone.
And usually it was because they’d drawn or written something as simple yet explicit as a kiss. It was just the wrong kind of kiss.
So yea, the sky is not falling, but the ice under our feet sure is making worrying sounds.
Content that just included the pride flag was flagged as explicit but sure it’s only “people fucking” that’s going away.
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In response to the NSFW ban being enacted by Tumblr Staff, on December 17th 2018 I propose that we all log off of our Tumblr accounts for 24 hours.
The lack of respect and communication between staff and users is stark. Users have been begging staff to delete the porn bot outbreak, which has plagued the website for well over a year. The porn bots oftentimes send people asks and messages, trying to get them to go to a website full of viruses. They also spam advertisements on others posts.
Users have also begged that Tumblr ban neo-nazis, child porn, and pedophiles, all which run rampant on the site. The site/app got so bad that it was taken off the app store.
However, instead of answering the users, Tumblr has instead taken the liberty to ban all NSFW content, regardless of age. But users have already run into issues of their SFW content being marked as sensitive and being flagged as NSFW, not allowing them to share their work.
Not only does this discriminate again content creators, but it also discriminates against sex workers. Disgustingly, the ban will be enacted on December 17 which is also International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers.
This ban is disgusting, and while I (and plenty of others) welcome porn bots and child porn being banned, the Tumblr filtration system is broken. It tags artistic work’s nipples as NSFW (when it is art), it tags SFW art as NSFW (when it is not), and does not stop the porn bots, neo-nazis and dozens of other issues.
This ban is discriminatory. This ban is ineffective. This ban is unacceptable.
To protest, log off of your Tumblr account for the entirety of November 17th. Log off at 12 am EST or 9PM PST and stay off for 24 hours. Don’t post. Don’t log on. Don’t even visit the website. Don’t give them that sweet ad revenue.
Tumblr’s stock has already taken a hard hit. Let’s make it tank. Maybe then they will listen to the users.
Since its founding in 2007, Tumblr has always been a place for wide open, creative self-expression at the heart of community and culture. To borrow from our founder David Karp, we’re proud to have inspired a generation of artists, writers, creators, curators, and crusaders to redefine our culture and to help empower individuality.
Over the past several months, and inspired by our storied past, we’ve given serious thought to who we want to be to our community moving forward and have been hard at work laying the foundation for a better Tumblr. We’ve realized that in order to continue to fulfill our promise and place in culture, especially as it evolves, we must change. Some of that change began with fostering more constructive dialogue among our community members. Today, we’re taking another step by no longer allowing adult content, including explicit sexual content and nudity (with some exceptions).
Let’s first be unequivocal about something that should not be confused with today’s policy change: posting anything that is harmful to minors, including child pornography, is abhorrent and has no place in our community. We’ve always had and always will have a zero tolerance policy for this type of content. To this end, we continuously invest in the enforcement of this policy, including industry-standard machine monitoring, a growing team of human moderators, and user tools that make it easy to report abuse. We also closely partner with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children and the Internet Watch Foundation, two invaluable organizations at the forefront of protecting our children from abuse, and through these partnerships we report violations of this policy to law enforcement authorities. We can never prevent all bad actors from attempting to abuse our platform, but we make it our highest priority to keep the community as safe as possible.
So what is changing?
Posts that contain adult content will no longer be allowed on Tumblr, and we’ve updated our Community Guidelines to reflect this policy change. We recognize Tumblr is also a place to speak freely about topics like art, sex positivity, your relationships, your sexuality, and your personal journey. We want to make sure that we continue to foster this type of diversity of expression in the community, so our new policy strives to strike a balance.
Why are we doing this?
It is our continued, humble aspiration that Tumblr be a safe place for creative expression, self-discovery, and a deep sense of community. As Tumblr continues to grow and evolve, and our understanding of our impact on our world becomes clearer, we have a responsibility to consider that impact across different age groups, demographics, cultures, and mindsets. We spent considerable time weighing the pros and cons of expression in the community that includes adult content. In doing so, it became clear that without this content we have the opportunity to create a place where more people feel comfortable expressing themselves.
Bottom line: There are no shortage of sites on the internet that feature adult content. We will leave it to them and focus our efforts on creating the most welcoming environment possible for our community.
So what’s next?
Starting December 17, 2018, we will begin enforcing this new policy. Community members with content that is no longer permitted on Tumblr will get a heads up from us in advance and steps they can take to appeal or preserve their content outside the community if they so choose. All changes won’t happen overnight as something of this complexity takes time.
Another thing, filtering this type of content versus say, a political protest with nudity or the statue of David, is not simple at scale. We’re relying on automated tools to identify adult content and humans to help train and keep our systems in check. We know there will be mistakes, but we’ve done our best to create and enforce a policy that acknowledges the breadth of expression we see in the community.
Most importantly, we’re going to be as transparent as possible with you about the decisions we’re making and resources available to you, including more detailed information, product enhancements, and more content moderators to interface directly with the community and content.
Like you, we love Tumblr and what it’s come to mean for millions of people around the world. Our actions are out of love and hope for our community. We won’t always get this right, especially in the beginning, but we are determined to make your experience a positive one.
Jeff D’Onofrio CEO
So… you want Tumblr to be a place to post pics of wedding dresses, chinos, tableware, pets, celebrities, etc.? That’s Pinterest
You want people to post about politics, their thoughts, and shoutouts about their lives? That’s Twitter and Facebook
You want censored photos of women having to cover up, and males who are shirtless but fully-pantsed and flexing? That’s literally half of Instagram.
You want non-nude amateur art? That’s DeviantArt and Etsy.
Tumblr (Yahoo), you’re going to have no market, you… colossal, fucking idiots.
Read Griffin’s great response @ the end. Says it all.