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babyv:

Loki + mentions of Thor

Loki after someone mentions Thor: Would it kill you to put my existence first for once? I mean come on all he’s done is save people, I’VE KILLED THEM!!

Thor used to pick a fight and kill people in the past while endanger his own friends. Loki used to keep Thor out of trouble or avoid an uncecessary fight. It’s a bit ironic isn’t it?

Loki after someone mentions Thor: Would it kill you to put my existence first for once? I mean come on all he’s done is save people, I’VE KILLED THEM!!

When I read shit like this, I wonder if people are watching the same movies that I’ve watched. Or if they have paid attention at all while doing so. Thor is a violent person. He has taken MANY lives. He enjoys doing so. Not even because he is a bad guy, but because it is part of his culture. He has spent far more screen time committing violence than Loki.

Loki, on the other hand, is not a naturally violent person. It was one of the reasons he didn’t fit in so well on Asgard. He has taken lives as well. Though probably not as many as Thor. But somehow the audience comes away with this notion that Loki is this bloodthirsty killer. Even when he’s just sitting there, doing nothing, the audience is thinking “wow, he’s evil.”

As an educator, I make it my mission to teach children how to critically analyze fiction. Not only so that they can grow up to watch movies and NOT draw ridiculous conclusions like this one, but so they can apply that skill to their assessment of real life people as well.

Loki after someone mentions Thor: “Would it kill you to allow me some measure of autonomy? I am an actual person. My existence is not contingent on Thor’s existence.”

FIXED. 

Thank you! 

I guess this all happens because the first Avengers movie and Thor: Ragnarok are fresher and livelier in the minds of the popular collective vs Thor 1 and Thor 2.

The Avengers has Loki acting desperate after being brainwashed by a literal death cult and in Thor 3 the director (and possibly Hemsworth too?) took a machete to both Thor and Loki’s characterization in the name of humor.

It doesn’t help that many of the clues that there is more to Loki than the mask he presents in the two movies are in deleted scenes or in blink-and-you-miss-it moments that take rewatches or screencaptured-gifs for most film watchers to catch; heck, I took everything at face value the first time I watched the films until I saw tumblr posts that showed those moments!

I was surprised to find that, yes, Loki was crying real tears when he stabbed Thor in the Avengers, that he was tempted to go home with him but still hurting from what his point of view had been a colossal life-long betrayal from his whole family, Thor’s friends and even Heimdall in Thor 1, and the deleted scene in The Avengers 1 when Loki talks mentally to The Other for a second time should never have been deleted, because it showed us that Loki was being supervised 24/7 even when he wasn’t holding the Scepter, which is a game-changer in explaining what went on in that movie.

Oh, God, all the deleted scenes. We cannot have people sympathizing with Loki, that is madness.

You could argue that Thanos is written to be more sympathetic to the audience in Avengers: Infinity War than Loki was by this stage of the MCU:

“Boo hoo, I really loved Gamora even though I abused and tortured her and all my kidnapped/adopted children which I orphaned in the first place!” 

“I really believe in my vision of a just world, I’m just misguided!” 

There is something sad about that.

Nice input. The Infinity War writer and director are trying to make Thanos more sympathetic than Loki.

Quite the revelation

elenatria:

So it’s a common tumblr headcanon that Thor’s speech about Mjolnir was reflecting his relationship with Loki.

Then we have Korg’s speech which, when I first saw the movie, I found hilarious, but only that. At first glance Korg is not doing much more than unintentionally mocking Thor’s hammer fetish so that we realize  how silly his fixation with Mjolnir is. No hidden meaning there. Right?

I do believe now that when Thor was talking to Korg about Mjolnir it dawned on him that very moment that… he was actually thinking of Loki. Look at his face.

Notice how Thor pauses there, contemplating what Korg said. He’s thinking of his brother.

Recently I read a post on reddit explaining how the “revelation” Thor had later on was about deciding to let Loki go if he wanted him back. 

But when exactly in the movie did he get that “revelation”, and what did he mean by that anyway…? It’s never clearly explained. 

“Since we last spoke”, that is since they were both in Thor’s cell. And what happened right after that?

THIS.

THIS is the exact moment when Thor had the epiphany that “open communication” (like he tried to do so many times in the past) “was not their family’s forte”. 

And if he wanted to get through to Loki he had to  talk in a language he would understand, and use other methods. Mischief and reverse psychology.

It worked.

marvelavacado:

This is the exact expression he gave to Thor during the elevator scene: the surprise at hearing something he so desperately needed and the sadness because it’s too late. In this scene, he recognizes that Odin is dying, and in the elevator scene, Thor tells him that he thought the world of him only in the past tense, so there’s acceptance in his gaze but also a wistfulness.

annievvv7:

mylokabrennauniverse:

ourtheories:

And the other thing:

The story begins and Loki points his dagger at the head of Thanos.

Ends the story and Thanos tells Thor:

“You should have aimed for the head”

So…

Did Loki know about Thanos’ weakness?

By Ìrimë

🤔

@mylokabrennauniverse
Oh, yes great observation. They have a sad history together and I’m
sure, they have known each other well. As Thanos has known that Loki’s
weak point must be Thor, Loki was also aware of Thanos’ weakness.
Mostly, because we know well that Loki is always with one step ahead of
his enemies. His considered phrases to Thanos, the pointing at his head,
his confidence can be the proofs of it. Maybe he tried to inform Thor
in a subtle way but unfortunately, Thor hasn’t noticed the sign.

lucianalight:

This is another one of beautiful shots of Thor 1 that conveys a genius symbolism. Here’s Odin who pitted his children against each other for the throne and his unfair treatment of them set the brothers apart. And he is standing on a broken bridge. The bridge that was broken as the result of the brother’s conflict over the throne, over gaining Odin’s approval, over being worthy. The broken bridge of the brother’s relationship. The conflict that he fueled drove his children, literally and also figuratively on the verge of falling down into an abyss. The brothers are holding to the Gungnir, the symbol of the throne. Their hands are close to each other but the Gungnir, the throne has kept them apart. A symbol of how the throne and their rivalry for it, came between them and set them apart. And Odin, the real reason for the destruction of his family, is standing safely on the broken bridge, and he is holding Thor, his favorite son, by the ankle, while Loki is the farthest to him in this chain. A symbol of how his lies and his treatment of Loki, drove away Loki more than Thor and how in the end, they pushed Loki away, just like Odin’s “No Loki”. And as Odin had favored Thor and alienated Loki in all the years, here he held on to Thor and pushed Loki away and left him to fall in the abyss.

s-git:

One thing I did like about Crimes of Grindelwald was Jude Law’s expression when Dumbledore was looking into the mirror of Erised. I had expected it to be sad, maybe disgusted, angry, confused. Instead there was this profound sadness and pain, but the hint of a smile & to me it just really seemed as if he was fully aware of this weakness of his (the former love for Grindelwald, even the remnants of it that he continued to feel to this day) and he was able to forgive himself for it. So, so nuanced and bittersweet.

holy shit jkr had this planned since half-blood prince

hogwartshiddenswimmingpool:

Spoilers for Crimes of Grindelwald ahead: 

In the cave, Dumbledore relives his worst memory. He pleads with Grindelwald to “stop hurting them, hurt me instead” which always seemed out of character for him. He is Albus Dumbledore. He could have fought Grindelwald to save his siblings. 

We know from King’s Cross that at the end of Dumbledore and Grindelwald’s summer together, Aberforth confronts Albus about his neglect of the family. Albus is defensive. Grindelwald and the Dumbledores start to argue, and a fight breaks out. Eventually, Ariana Dumbledore lies dead, and Dumbledore does not know if he or Grindelwald was the one to cast the spell that killed her. 

With the information from Crimes of Grindelwald, it all makes sense!!! 

Dumbledore and Grindelwald make a blood pact that prevents them from fighting each other. When the fight breaks out between them, they cannot harm each other, but Grindelwald can hurt Aberforth (and Ariana) all he wants, and BINGO! Dumbledore is helpless, and can only plead with Grindelwald to stop (hence, his worst memory). In despiration to stop his siblings’ torture, Dumbledore ignores the blood pact, and shoots a spell at Grindelwald, who coutners with one of his own. But neither can attack the other. The blood pact deflects the spells into poor Ariana, who is killed by one of the curses. Dumbledore does not know who fired the spell that killed his sister. 

Beyond that, here’s some speculation: Ariana was sweet and, I imagine, did not start conflict. So if Aberforth confronted Dumbledore, why was Grindelwald torturing both Aberforth AND Ariana (”don’t hurt them, hurt me instead”)?  I think Dumbledore confided in him that she was an obscurial. Grindelwald tortured her by calling out the obscurus, and possibly even trying to rip it from her. If he succeeded, he could have preserved it like Newt did with the one from the girl he met before the first movie. Grindelwald unleashes it in a second-salem orphanage in New York, hoping that it finds another host because “it’s useless without a host,” as Grindel-Graves tells Newt. He then manipulates the obscurial he created into believing they are a Dumbledore. The Dumbledore magic coursing through them and their own tortured soul calls a phoenix, convincing them of the ruse. He tells them they were abandoned by Albus, and he creates the perfect assassin who can kill the one person he cannot. 

John never was a dummy, he is smarter than he looks

attic-salt-holmes:

johnlocked-in-portland:

impossibleleaf:

In Leinster Garden, we got in a single scene the
entire summary of John and Mary’s relationship.

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Remember, a disguise is always a
self-portrait but how others perceive it also says a lot about how they see
you.

And I get a feeling that we were given a
glimpse of the ending and what is exactly going on in the real world.

Tell me, do you remember
when John was becoming Sherlock Holmes?

It was a
long time ago, I know, but once upon a time, there was a man called John
Watson. And this man one day met Sherlock Holmes.

He was
deeply fascinated by him, he was without a doubt the most extraordinary man he’s
has ever met. That wasn’t to say he was stupid, no.

He was only
an army doctor, murders weren’t quite yet his division.

But he
tried.

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Boy did he
try.

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Sometimes
his mistakes were just plainly embarrassing.

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Sometimes he
was just wrong and his deductions lead nowhere.

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But he’s
always managed to pull through.

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Because he
is learning.

There is a
reason why John Waston is the best conductor of light that exists. He might not
get everything on the first try, but his thinking always leads Sherlock to the
right path. They are on the same wavelength.

And there is
also a good reason why some foes mistook him for his friend.

JOHN: I’m
not actually… (Still delirious) I’m not Sherlock Holmes.

THE OPERA
SINGER (Smiles, she doesn’t believe him): Forgive me if I do not take your word
for it.

(She
made a strong case, didn’t she?)

Remember
when John Watson was becoming Sherlock Holmes?

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How he assumed it was Sherlock Holmes she needed and yet took the case instead? Remember
when Mary had no other choice than to become his Watson?

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HOLMES: You
are not coming.

WATSON: Then
you are not going.

JOHN: You can’t
come (…)

MARY: You
can’t go (…)

Remember
that Mr Holmes thought Mary was the sane one and at the same time implied he
thought John was the extraordinary one?

Don’t forget
that John Watson is smarter than he looks. Don’t you dare forget he’s pretty
damn smart. He’s more than just a puppy to trot behind Sherlock Holmes. No matter what
Mary may think, this is only the image he sells to the public.

WATSON: Listen, I’m
happy to play the fool, for you. I will run
along like some halfwit, if that’s what you need.

The dummy isn’t who he is. It is what she saw (a fairly obvious trick) but it never was what he was. He wasn’t playing the idiot, he was being Sherlock Holmes.

Because, no
matter what Mary may believe, if Sherlock can learn to become more like John,
the reverse is also true. John Watson can be Sherlock Holmes when he needs to.

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And he can wear
the coat and fool her.

John Watson
can perfectly be the Sherlock Holmes to her Moriarty. There never was any dummy,
he was just taking Sherlock’s place while he was away.

And Mary
never noticed that until it was too late.

Can I marry this post?

itsagentromanoff:

One of the reasons that Tony is hesitant to take on the role of mentor with Peter is because of Obadiah Stane.

We all know that Tony has a hard time trusting anyone and that he genuinely does care about Peter. But Obadiah’s betrayal not only as a business partner, father figure and mentor just shattered his faith in himself in that role for Peter.

Setting aside everything that happened with the Avengers in the Civil War, Tony really does care about Peter and taking on the role of mentor and defacto father figure scares him not only with Stane’s betrayal but Tony’s own lack of connection with his own father, Howard. So him embracing this role not only will help him heal from CW but helps him get passed Stane’s betrayal and Howard’s lack of parenting, and shows Tony that he can be that person that people can rely on not just as a teammate but as family.